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HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby RichJ7 on Wed Mar 03, 2010 4:26 pm

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Re: HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby DaveS on Wed Mar 03, 2010 6:25 pm

Yeah looks good! I'll be tuning in for sure. God I love HBO.......
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Re: HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby RidleyBrewery on Thu Mar 04, 2010 7:23 am

DaveS wrote:Yeah looks good! I'll be tuning in for sure. God I love HBO.......

You can afford HBO?!? :brow:
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Re: HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby RichJ7 on Thu Mar 04, 2010 9:36 am

I no have HBO. But I will be checking it out on DVD. ;)
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Re: HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby misterC on Thu Mar 04, 2010 10:28 am

Someone mentioned this show to me the other day and I had not heard about it yet.. my reply was that if it was going to be anything like BoB, then I'm stoked! Sure enough, produced by the same folks.. :headbang2:
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Re: HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby Honkey Kong on Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:50 am

Stoked as well!!!

According to the Army junkies here it's based on 2 great books written by vets in the 1950's.

They don't have HBO, guess who does, this guy, that's right. I'll be sure to spoil it for you ALL....muahahahahahaahha
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Re: HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby RichJ7 on Fri Mar 05, 2010 9:57 am

Honkey Kong wrote:They don't have HBO, guess who does, this guy, that's right. I'll be sure to spoil it for you ALL....muahahahahahaahha


You will be be severely punished. There will be consequences and repercussions. :evil:

Unless it's a spoiler like "Omigod! Japan lost the war!" :D
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Re: HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby Honkey Kong on Mon Mar 08, 2010 4:32 pm

Ummm no, but I did hear, from an inside contact, that Japan bombs a U.S. island at the beginning. Not sure if it's true or not...sorry.
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Re: HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby RichJ7 on Mon Mar 08, 2010 5:02 pm

Honkey Kong wrote:Ummm no, but I did hear, from an inside contact, that Japan bombs a U.S. island at the beginning. Not sure if it's true or not...sorry.


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Re: HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby NebTheWise on Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:23 pm

So they've shown the first two episodes so far. They actually started with Guadalcanal, skipping over all of the Pearl Harbor stuff except in a Tom Hanks prologue-like voice-over accompanied by still images.

The tone is *completely* different from Band of Brothers. First, there's no real attempt to define a large scope of characters beyond a handful, most of which are part of 1st Marines. There are two separate plot-lines going on so far: in one, we follow a few marines (enlisted and NCOs) as they land and fight on Guadalcanal; in the other, we're following a young man Stateside trying to convince his family to let him enlist (he has a heart murmur apparently, but he doesn't want that to stop him). The series cuts between the two fairly infrequently, so it's not like they interfere with each other in the context of the story. I'm assuming the two plots will converge at some point.

The producers obviously felt the pressure of making the "sequel" to Band of Brothers, and to their credit they decided to jump right into the action as soon as they could (not like "Curahee" from BoB). As a result, we got comparatively little character introduction; like I said, they focus on maybe 4 or 5 marines so far, with others floating on the periphery.

That said, Part One was a little bit of a disappointment. Hard to say why... maybe it is the fact that the characters HAVEN'T been developed, or the action was just too rushed with nowhere near the intensity I'd come to expect from BoB. But, I'm giving it some slack here, because it is unfair to compare one episode against the entirety of BoB... if you remember, BoB started out pretty slow too, and it didn't really grab me until Easy Company's assault on the gun emplacements right after the D-Day drop (right up there with the most intense combat scenes ever filmed).

Part Two was MUCH better all around. It centered around the Japanese attempts to retake the Guadalcanal airfield, which culminated in a night-time hold-the-line stand by 1st Marines against a determined Japanese assault. This was more like it, both in terms of intensity and investment in the action, and in character development, where we got a little insight into a few of the guys we saw in Part One.

So really looking forward to Part Three.
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Re: HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby RichJ7 on Thu Mar 25, 2010 1:28 pm

Awesome. Thanks for the review, man.
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Re: HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby NebTheWise on Mon May 17, 2010 4:59 pm

Okay, part 10 aired last night (May 16), and that concluded the miniseries. Overall it was a good series... the tone was so different from Band of Brothers that it is hard to directly compare the two, but I think BoB might have been better.

The Pacific suffered from what appeared to be a lack of focus in the first few parts. Unlike BoB, this series was the story of three specific Marines, who for the most part never served together (two of them were in the same unit early on, but one was transferred stateside after an injury). So the peripheral characters were a little harder to distinguish as the episodes jumped from one Marine's story to another, as opposed to BoB's approach of focusing on a single unit and keeping a few key characters in the foreground for the entire run. Still, as each story got rolling, the series grabbed you in much the same way BoB did.

It is an understandably gruesome show. The violence early on seems surreal in the way it is presented, as Japanase soldiers are almost comically mowed down and left to lie in virtual hills of bodies while the Marines reload for the next wave. As the series progresses, it focuses more on the grim realities of stationary warfare, unable or unwilling to advance, where the enemy is largely faceless and incomprehensible in spite of the fact that your foxhole is 10 feet away from previously killed Japanese soldiers. One scene in part 7 or 8 has a Marine chucking stones into the brainpan of a dead soldier after a torrential rainfall... the splash sound it makes is stomach churning once you realize what is going on.

The plot overall is really about the psychological fraying of the minds of US Marines engaged in a war they really don't understand, against a people that will not surrender despite the odds and are willing to do unimaginable things to keep from admitting defeat. As such, there is very little empathic viewpoint offered towards Japan here, no exploration at all of the Japanese military mindset, and perhaps more poignantly, no apology for the devolution of the American rules of engagement; early on, the Marines are willing to satisfy the Japanese sense of honor with a quick kill, but as the war drags on, the film shifts more toward a "don't they know they are beaten" attitude with rising cruelty and sadism on the part of our "heroes". This is not a stellar portrayal of the Marine Corps: the Marines here are ill-prepared for this war, and unable to cope with the grim reality once they are in the thick of it... perhaps totally accurate, but as I said, less than glowing portrayal. Not like the Airborne from BoB.

The second half of episodes were much improved, however, with the various stories starting to take off as the Marines invade first Peleleiu and then Okinawa. It turns out that the story of Eugene Sledge, who I mentioned earlier was sidelined early on with a heart murmur, may be the heart and soul of the series, as it is through his eyes that the horrors of Okinawa and the end of the war are told. His character runs from innocent volunteer who is desperate to serve his country, to bewildered outsider shunned by his battle-weary squadmates, to shocked-to-immobility soldier in the thick of what looks like a stupid assault across an airfield, to first jaded and then openly hostile sadist sick of mud and blood, and finally to war-weary veteran who realizes his life will never be the same. From beginning to end, the best story of the lot, and you have to get about halfway through the series before he even gets in the war.

Acting was top-notch all around. No names to speak of in this cast; the only person I recognized from anything else was Annie Parisse, who had a short stint on Law & Order as an assistant D.A. The writing was solid; no cringe-worthy dialog, everything seemed to move on pace and tell an efficient story. Same with the directing... only a few times were frenetic quick-cuts used during battle (mostly during beach landings), everything else was generally staged wide with building suspense. I have no complaints about the score either. Good production from top to bottom.

They're running the whole series in a marathon Memorial Day weekend, so I'll give the early episodes another viewing and see if my opinion of them changes. It is a good miniseries, but perhaps not an instant classic like Band of Brothers was. There also are a few truly stellar moments that might be more powerful than anything in BoB. If you liked BoB, this is must-see viewing when it hits DVD.
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Re: HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby RichJ7 on Tue May 18, 2010 7:45 am

Wow. Amazingly in-depth review, man. Can't wait to see it ... when it hits DVD, naturally. :D
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Re: HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby Honkey Kong on Fri May 21, 2010 9:14 am

Great series. Not quite Band of Brothers, but it improved along the way.

The only gripe I have is that they did not show more interviews with the vets at the end (like BOB).
Also, they stopped providing captions with their names, so I forgot who was who.

I had read about Okinawa, but man oh man that was hard to watch.
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Re: HBO's "The Pacific" ... aka Band of Brothers Part Deux

Postby misterC on Fri May 21, 2010 9:38 am

I agree with everything said so far.. great series.

Even though they quit putting the guys names up there, the ending credits stuff let you catch up with who was who and really nailed some of it home, at least it did for me.
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