MK wrote:Honkey Kong wrote:Now as for corporate metal.
We agree!
I think it's hilariously funny that (mostly) all the metal bands in the 80s dismissed punk like it never happened, then suddenly there were long-haired douchebags running around with Misfits t-shirts everywhere you looked...mainly because Metallica covered them. Poorly.
You remember this happening, Honk? The only time metalhead dudes came to punk/hardcore gigs in the mid-80s was to fuck with the bands and the people there. A few years later the same metalhead dudes were singing the praises of the Dead Kennedys and Black Flag. Once the hardcore stuff became more "overground", you saw these people jump on the bandwagon.
Well now, let's be fair. You already said learning about music was about taking chances. In the 80s there were no Myspace pages, Youtube, etc where you could preview something you were curious about. It was all word of cockholster or just taking a leap of faith at Sunburst and buying something because the cover looked cool (boy was I burned a few times buying music based on covers, Lizzy Borden comes to mind). I didn't know ANYONE at Stone Middle School who liked punk or could even name 3 punk bands. Punk is music middle-class suburban kids seem to dig on and it took awhile for us kids from blue-collar families to find. Everyone at Stone was digging Run DMC, Doug E Fresh, Kiss, Motley Crue, or if you really ventured out you listened to the underground metal of the day like Metallica, Anthrax, or maybe Venom if you dared. We'd sit in class checking out Hit Parader and Circus when we were supposed to be studying. I discovered I liked many bands on labels like Combat, Megaforce, and Metal Blade and would buy albums by bands I wasn't familiar with on a leap of faith. Later I would do the same thing with Dischord, SST, Sub Pop, K, Matador, etc. But I didn't have a clue who Minor Threat, Black Flag, Minutemen, or those guys were until I got to high school at Butler and met punk kids like Larry Horgan who copied tapes for me of of everything from Minor Threat and Bad Brains to Sonic Youth. And you know what, Larry listened to metal too. He's still a big Celtic Frost and Slayer fan.
And yeah, I'll admit. I discovered the Misfits because I saw Cliff Burton wearing one of their t-shirts in Hit Parader or some other metal mag. And I had a mullet and a denim jacket with a huge Anthrax patch on the back. So what? So I wouldn't say I "jumped on the punk bandwagon" to be cool or whatever. I just couldn't appreciate it until I had the opportunity to be exposed to it. So I became a huge punk fan as well and pretty much shunned metal for many years because my punk friends thought metal was ghey. But I've gone back and dug up most of the old metal stuff I liked as a kid and discovered I still really like old Motley Crue, Metallica, Anthrax, and even Guns n Roses (first album only), etc. Nearing my 40s

I don't have to worry about what the punk "kids" will say if I get caught listening to old Anthrax anymore. And I don't have to worry about the metalheads laughing at me for jamming to Minor Threat. Fuck 'em all...

To top it all off, I was a football and baseball playin' jock. I even made All-City as a running back my senior year! gasp... I'm quite certain I was the last white running back at Butler.
By the way Honk, I was a big fan of Coud d'etat and Oreo as well. Didn't realize you had played in those bands. Still have a third or fourth generation cassette around here somewhere of a live Oreo gig that Larry gave me back in high school. Also, I just posted this pic on my Facebook page the other day. It's a random picture of my bedroom wall in high school circa 1989 or 90. The huge Anthrax banner and poster is obvious enough. But if you look closely there's also a gig flyer hanging to the top left. It has Random Conflict, Positive Faction, and somebody else I can't make out.

Wow! This post really turned into an autobiography quick!
